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#201 Ton

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 04:53 PM

The latest is that the Minister has invited today to his office all the officials of Rethymnon to discuss his port plans as were discussed last week in Heraklion. The minister revealed at the meeting last week that the plans for the port need to be moved a little bit to the west side of Timbaki and closer to the militry airport since the EU Natura plan covers most of the old designated for the port area. Since part of the port plan falls now in the province of Rethymnon and closer to Aghia Galini he needs the blessing of the officials of the Rethymnon province as well. News from the meeting are not out yet but we suspect that we will hear the same story as last week. In the mean time the Ecological society of Heraklion is increasing efforts to get the minister to bring out transparency of his port plans. The situation with the ports in Greece is getting intensified since the investors will look for alternative ports to invest . Because the goverment has problems with the port workers Unions in Pireaus and Thessaloniki the idea of Timbaki sounds tempting since they can make agreements with the investors and operators of the future port without reaction from existing port unions etc. The profits from a container port in Timbaki will be enormus but of course they ones benefiting will be only the operators and to a leser extent the government who will be leasing the port. The loosers will be the environment and the people of Crete who are sold out again to the highest bider.

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 05:46 PM

Again, thanks for the invaluable update, Ton. The point about the unions is a good one. I couldn't understand what the problem over expansion of existing ports was.

If it went to a referendum, how long do you think it would take? Euro referendums took months to set up in other countries, didn't they?

#203 Ton

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 07:18 PM

My best guess is that the port issue will die without a referendum. There is now too much opposition specially because the location has moved closer to Aghia Galini. However a referendum should take place in the next few months (if the minister decides to proceed with his plans) since the investors will get tired waiting and will soon start looking for other locations.

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Posted 10 November 2006 - 07:21 PM

If they have not already started too!!
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Posted 10 November 2006 - 08:22 PM

I will only say "Euxaristo".

And just an info: Mrs Shinaraki is from Petrokefali, a village between Moires and Sivas, near Kouses, where I live half year... and until now, I never heard someone thinking positive in this area about this project.
... May be this will help....


http://www.petitiono.../petition.html: -> 4058 <- now

#206 Ton

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Posted 11 November 2006 - 01:02 AM

Today's Minister's meeting with public officials from Rethymnon did not result in anything newer. The official outcome was the same as the one we have heard from the last meeting of the minister in Heraklion last week i.e 'the project of the port in the South of Crete can progress very fast assuming that the local community will give its approval. The port of Rethymnon was another subject of discussion in this meeting.

You all have a nice week end
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Posted 11 November 2006 - 04:53 PM

The workers of the port in Thessaloniki are reacting negatively to the plans of the ministry to surrender the operation of the port to a foreign shipping company for 25 years. The ministry would like to offer the operation of the port to the highest bidder. The Chinese and other investors will not invest in the Greek ports unless they manage the port themselves for reasons we all understand. The Greek shipowners who are building over 100 ships in China they would like the Chinese to operate the Greek ports since in return they will lease the Greek ships to transport the Chinese Merchandise to Europe. If the Union port workers in Thessaloniki and Pireaus reject the minister's plans for the operation of the ports then the investors will disappear and the only Greek port modernization will be done solely with Greek and EU funding. In this case no port in Timbaki or elsewhere will be Possible. We will be lucky even if they build a pseudo Marina.

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 09:03 AM

There is a link to a page of YEN (ministry of mercantile marine), where they show a graphic, how they want to build the harbour at Kokkinos Pyrgos:

http://www.yen.gr/yen.chtm?prnbr=30245

#209 Ton

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Posted 12 November 2006 - 11:23 PM

God knows how many thousands of Euro the ministry has paid to have this scruffy plan made. The ministry even paid recently a Greek Bank to perform a feasibility study by paying several thousands of EURO which study by the way is now useless since the port location has moved few hundred meters west to a new location. It is very interesting that the Bank took the money and did a wonderfull study but it failed to point out that the previous port location was within a protected zone. Now they will propably need more feasibility studies by all kind of professional characters/parasites who absorb the money of the Greek and Euro Tax Payer. We can save thousands of Euro to the tax payers if we would have the referendum now.

#210 Ton

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 11:23 AM

Please find below a good site for a complete historical background of the subject 'Timbaki container port'

http://www.no-contai...et/facts_en.php

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Posted 14 November 2006 - 02:03 PM

Thanks for this link Ton. :blink:

(by the way I've got Broadband being set up at home this saturday, so will be online 24/7 now)

^_^ :wacko:
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#212 Ton

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Posted 15 November 2006 - 11:18 AM

The union workers of the ports of Pireaus and Thessaloniki are giving a lot of trouble to Kefalogiannis plans to allow the management of the ports to fall in private hands. This puts now additional pressure to Kefalogiannis to push his plans for the Timbaki port as soon as possible since he needs to find a solution for the promisses his government made to the Chinese (mainly to Cosco and China Shipping).
In the mean time all mayors and local officials are chewing up their words without taking a clear position on the issue. Only Shinaraki made it clear so far that a port construction in the area should not adversely affect the tourist industry.

#213 Ton

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Posted 16 November 2006 - 11:50 AM

It has been decided today that a competition between private shipping companies will go ahead next week to decide who will have the future management of the two big ports of Pireaus and Thessaloniki. In otherwords the management of the ports will fall into private hands. This latest development means that the immediate pressure the minister had to build a port in Timbaki is a bit alleviated.

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 02:00 PM

We're holding our breath, Ton.

Please keep us posted! :(

#215 Ton

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 03:44 PM

Hi Dinny ! How is Bella? Did she chase all your cats away yet?

The latest is:
the tourmoil which is going on with the Port Unions of Pireaus and Thessaloniki and the Minister in regards to the privitization of the ports is continuing. Experienced sources on this issue say that very soon the ministry will open the doors for the private sharks (by the way coming with different flags from allover the world) to compete who is going to eat the bigest portion of the ports pie. The Unions can not reverse the decision which has already been taken to proceed with the Ports Management Privitization. It is very clear that all investors and shipping companies are competing primarily for the ports of Pireaus and Thessaloniki because of their geographical location and ease of the goods transportation from there on to the Balcan states and other countries. While the minister is preoccupied with the Pireaus and Thessaloniki ports issue I expect that the Timbaki port issue will stay dormant for a while.

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Posted 19 November 2006 - 04:12 PM

Hi Ton, Bella is fine, keeping the 'steady crowd' on the terrace on a minimum of 7-8 cats, no strangers allowed! When no strangers appear then she starts to chase the 'usual guests', just to make a day of it! ;-)



According to a report from "Ditching Dirty Diesel" (California) these container ships are causing a huge polution, but if something is done about it, the money would come back three to five times in saved health expenses. According to the report, airplanes, ships, and trucks are causing between thirty and seventyfive percent of California's discharge of nitrogen (NOx) and particles of soot, a polution which is evaluated to cost approx. 2,400 lives a year. LIVES! Like in "goodbye world, I won't be here tomorrow".



International traffic is not regulated by the Kyoto Agreement - which is in anyway not respected by the majority of countries - so the good intentions of the company M&aelig;rsk (Danish, by the way) to change to less poluting fuel when approaching the harbours will probably not be a common way to act.



If spending 2,400 lives a year in the Messara area, how long would it take to get a real 'liberated nature'???

#217 Ton

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 02:20 PM

The National Engineering University of Athens will finally undertake the task to carry out a study to establish the advantages and disadvantages of a creation of a container port in Timbaki. The study should take into consideration both the environmental and economical affects such a port will have for the area of Timbaki.
The above was decided after short communication between Demetris Sarris and Manolis Kefalogiannis on the issue.

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 02:25 PM

This is good news Ton.
At last professional action is undertaken. Lets hope for the best.

:(
True is that adage: "He who yields to rule by wooden heads, becomes himself a fool."

#219 Ton

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 02:50 PM

Yeah Wim I think also that is good news indeed.

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Posted 20 November 2006 - 08:26 PM

Reading your updates, Ton, is like watching a heart monitor with our hopes jumping up and down all the time. Fingers crossed.