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[christa]

In the last time the rumor goes on that in the area of timbaki a big harbour for container-ships is planed. The investors should be coming from china and from komosbeach until agia galini the nature will be destroyed.

The Patris from 2.11.2005

*Το Τυμπάκι θα είναι οριστικά η περιοχή όπου θα γίνει το λιμάνι - μαμούθ που θέλουν οι Κινέζοι. Οι πληροφορίες της “Π” για σχεδόν κλεισμένη συμφωνία επιβεβαιώνονται από την απαντητική επιστολή του προέδρου της China Shipping Group Li kelin προς τον υπουργό Εμπορικής Ναυτιλίας κ. Κεφαλογιάννη.
“Μοιράζομαι την πίστη σας ότι το Τυμπάκι και όλα τα χαρακτηριστικά του είναι μια καλή περιοχή για διαμετακομιστικό κέντρο” αναφέρει ο πρόεδρος της κινέζικης εταιρείας. Ο οποίος και ουσιαστικά αποκαλύπτει ότι προϋπήρξαν συζητήσεις και κατ’ αρχήν συμφωνίες για το Τυμπάκι.
Ο χώρος του ανενεργού σήμερα αεροδρομίου μαζί με την όλη περιοχή είναι 8000 στρέμματα. Τα οποία ανήκουν στο Ελληνικό Δημόσιο (Αεροπορία) και πολύ ευκολότερα μπορούν να παραχωρηθούν για να προχωρήσει η επένδυση.
Παράλληλα πρόκειται για μια περιοχή - ταψί, έτοιμες δηλαδή... αποβάθρα και προβλήτες, ενώ υπάρχει και ο διάδρομος προσγείωσης.
Στην επιστολή του ο Κινέζος πρόεδρος πλέκει το εγκώμιο της Κρήτης λέγοντας ότι είναι η ιδανική επιλογή - λόγω της γεωγραφικής της θέσης - για να αναπτυχθεί ένα διαμετακομιστικό κέντρο για την ανατολική Μεσόγειο, τη Μαύρη Θάλασσα και την περιοχή γύρω από την Αδριατική.
Ο κ. Λ. Κελιν γράφει στον κ. Κεφαλογιάννη ότι θα πρέπει να συνεχιστούν οι συζητήσεις με αντιπροσωπεία του υπουργείου που θα μεταβεί στη Σαγκάη.
Τέλος, αναφέρεται με θερμά λόγια στη φιλοξενία της κυβέρνησης και των Κρητικών λέγοντας ότι ήταν το “highlight” του όλου ταξιδιού στην Ευρώπη.*

I don't know, how much is true. But are here any user from crete are knowing more??? The harbour shoud be bigger than the harbour of Piraeus. Premier Karamanlis will be on Crete on the 17. of December. Members of the chinese shipping company visited Crete in the last time...

So - hoping of getting answers

kind regards

Christa

[Dinny]

Hi Christa,

I share your concern! It's an absolute disaster and I simply cannot understand that it will be allowed. But when big money is involved, who cares about the environment, the nature, tourism, the nice quiet life in South of Crete?

I think Yannis is looking into this and that we shall be able to learn more from the next Crete Gazette. But I'm sure Mr. Karamanlis will not find any demonstrations in the streets of Timbaki when he comes down to look at the area one last time before he decides to destroy it.

[UffeS]

The area around Timbaki is large and it's a important agriculture area, so I kind of understand that there are huge interests in building a container harbour there. Also the coastline is very long with lots of nice sandy beaches. I don't think such a harbour would destroy all of that beautiful area. One has to remember here that tourism is a very important source for income in Greece and the government would not simply allow destroying too much of it just for a harbour. At least, this is what I hope! I'm sure Yannis will comment further on this issue cause I think he knows a lot more about the plans.

Uffe

[yannis_s]

There will probably be an article about the investments in Tymbaki area in the January issue of the Crete Gazette. What I know is that the Chinese are very interested in this container port but there has been no final agreement yet, so everything can change later.
There will be reactions to these plans from environmental groups but we do not have enough information about the public opinion of the area regarding the port.

[Dinny]

Many of the local people are not aware of this big port project which will put an end to the local tourism and the income most enjoy from it. People need to get organised and say a big fat Cretan NO to this monsterous project.

Well, Tony... I don't quite agree with you. Just today I discussed it with a friend of mine in Matala and he told me that they are having organised and regular meetings in Timbaki to discuss it. I asked him who was organising these meetings, but he said that "oh, they just call us whenever a meeting is up..." Inquiries have been sent to Athens, but - naturally - without receiving any answer.

But it's true that there is a lot of "not-really-knowing-what-it's-all-about". However, things are moving down here, so hopefully somebody will be able to put a foot down with a lot of noise!

Dinny

[Dinny]

In fact, Tony, the friend who told me about the meetings is a bit worried. He has a house to rent out, and we had talked about some of my friends from Italy wanting to rent it. The other day I told him that maybe it was not such a good idea, because my friends would not want to stay near this awful harbour, and that anyway he should stop dreaming about asking big money for his house since its value is quickly decreasing. You should have seen his face! Well, I hoped I scared him into spreading the words with the other house-owners....

[Ton]

Hellow dear people,

This year in 2006, we will spend our holidays for the fifth time in Agia Galini! It's like heaven there!

And now, i read this news.... I hope they can stop this stupid plans en save the nature and the tourism.

But when the port comes...what will be destroyed?? Also the villages around Timbaki, like Agia Galini, Kokkinos Pirgos,.... ?

This is terrible!!
Please, somebody, stop it!

Nobody will stop it until everyone who is concerned does something!! Please write to your Hotel/house owner where you are staying at Aghia Galini and tell them about your concerns. Emphasize to them that you and your friends will stop coming to Aghia Galini if the Chinese port construction goes ahead.

[Ton]

The latest from Patris newspaper article says that the prime Minister of Greece Mr. Karamanlis, will go to China on the 19th to sign some investment agreements with the Chinese. One of the subjects to discuss (and not stated clearly in the article above) and sign, is the monsterous port project of Timbaki which will destroy the beatifull landscape and peaceful life of the near as we know it.

[christa]

Karamanlis was in Shanghai and has signed a contract for enlarging the harbours in Athen and Saloniki !!!


TO BHMA 22. 1. 106


Maybee there is another hope.... :-)))


Kind regards

Christa

Maybee someone can translate the article in english???

[yannis_s]

Christa is right. It looks like there has been an agreement for the expansion of the harbours of Piraeus and Thessaloniki but there is no mention for a new harbour in Tymbaki.
This doesn't mean that the project is abandoned though. Perhaps the expansion of the 2 major ports of Greece is just a test for further future co-operation and more investments.

[Ton]

Christa is right. It looks like there has been an agreement for the expansion of the harbours of Piraeus and Thessaloniki but there is no mention for a new harbour in Tymbaki.
This doesn't mean that the project is abandoned though. Perhaps the expansion of the 2 major ports of Greece is just a test for further future co-operation and more investments.

The latest roumors from Messara are that the waters in Tymbaki are too shallow for the huge containers. On the other side the port of Thessaloniki might be more attractive for the Chinese since it is already operable, will need less capital investment + it is closer to the Balcans.
However these r just roumors!!!

[DaveW.]

Sorry guys...but the English language press in Athens are reporting sources close to Costas Karamanlis as stating that whilst in China he pushed for new investment for the port of Thessaloniki and for a port in Crete. So maybe we should start bombarding the Greek Prime Minister with letters voicing our concerns. mention is also made of trying to woo the 22 million Chinese tourists who visit the EU each year to Greece, and of the possibility of direct flights from Greece to Beijing.
Now, lets' get our priorities right please Prime Minister Karamanlis.........before that lets' get some decent flights from Cardiff to Chania..please.................................

[Dinny]

Can anyone please give an address to Mr. Karamanlis' office (email or snail, telegraphic, anything...)???

Thanks! I can't find it myself... it's all Greek to me!!

[Nick]

The Chinese decided to bring 1 million containers to Piraeus harbour. Iraklion's harbour has not got all the demanding facilities for them.

Regarding Timpaki, they haven't mentioned anything.

[yannis_s]

Dinny,
I suppose this is what you are looking for: http://www.primemini.../en/contact.asp

[Dinny]

Thanks, Yannis! Always ready with the right info! :-)
I will now compose a long memo for mr. Karamanlis, highlighting views that might never have occurred to him. I'm SURE he will change his mind after that!

[Michael.at]

Dear all,
as I have bought a small house in Klima (north of Tymbaki) I am following the rumors about the container harbour from the begining.
And from that time on I believe it is totally uneconomic to build a big harbour there. All big container harbours I know provide further transport by ship (river), train and truck to industrial areas and agglomerations. I don't find this on the whole island of Crete. Even if the total import and export of goods (has someone data about it?) will be shiped at one port it will be cheaper to do it in the north of Crete where the big harbours already are.
A variation of the rumor is to build a port only for tranfering containers from large ships (problems to pass the Bosporus?) to smaller vessels. To do that on an island doesn't make economic sense either.
So I think Thessaloniki (routs to the Balkans and Black Sea) and Piraeus will be lucky to expand their harbour capacity as mentioned above.
Some facts about the ports of Gioia Tauro (Italy, just north of the Strait of Messina) and Algeciras (Spain, close to Gibraltar).