
Containerharbour In Timbaki, Part 1
#1
Posted 15 December 2005 - 11:20 PM
The Patris from 2.11.2005
*Το Τυμπάκι θα είναι οριστικά η περιοχή όπου θα γίνει το λιμάνι - μαμούθ που θέλουν οι Κινέζοι. Οι πληροφορίες της “Π” για σχεδόν κλεισμένη συμφωνία επιβεβαιώνονται από την απαντητική επιστολή του προέδρου της China Shipping Group Li kelin προς τον υπουργό Εμπορικής Ναυτιλίας κ. Κεφαλογιάννη.
“Μοιράζομαι την πίστη σας ότι το Τυμπάκι και όλα τα χαρακτηριστικά του είναι μια καλή περιοχή για διαμετακομιστικό κέντρο” αναφέρει ο πρόεδρος της κινέζικης εταιρείας. Ο οποίος και ουσιαστικά αποκαλύπτει ότι προϋπήρξαν συζητήσεις και κατ’ αρχήν συμφωνίες για το Τυμπάκι.
Ο χώρος του ανενεργού σήμερα αεροδρομίου μαζί με την όλη περιοχή είναι 8000 στρέμματα. Τα οποία ανήκουν στο Ελληνικό Δημόσιο (Αεροπορία) και πολύ ευκολότερα μπορούν να παραχωρηθούν για να προχωρήσει η επένδυση.
Παράλληλα πρόκειται για μια περιοχή - ταψί, έτοιμες δηλαδή... αποβάθρα και προβλήτες, ενώ υπάρχει και ο διάδρομος προσγείωσης.
Στην επιστολή του ο Κινέζος πρόεδρος πλέκει το εγκώμιο της Κρήτης λέγοντας ότι είναι η ιδανική επιλογή - λόγω της γεωγραφικής της θέσης - για να αναπτυχθεί ένα διαμετακομιστικό κέντρο για την ανατολική Μεσόγειο, τη Μαύρη Θάλασσα και την περιοχή γύρω από την Αδριατική.
Ο κ. Λ. Κελιν γράφει στον κ. Κεφαλογιάννη ότι θα πρέπει να συνεχιστούν οι συζητήσεις με αντιπροσωπεία του υπουργείου που θα μεταβεί στη Σαγκάη.
Τέλος, αναφέρεται με θερμά λόγια στη φιλοξενία της κυβέρνησης και των Κρητικών λέγοντας ότι ήταν το “highlight” του όλου ταξιδιού στην Ευρώπη.*
I don't know, how much is true. But are here any user from crete are knowing more??? The harbour shoud be bigger than the harbour of Piraeus. Premier Karamanlis will be on Crete on the 17. of December. Members of the chinese shipping company visited Crete in the last time...
So - hoping of getting answers
kind regards
Christa
#2
Posted 16 December 2005 - 02:04 PM
I share your concern! It's an absolute disaster and I simply cannot understand that it will be allowed. But when big money is involved, who cares about the environment, the nature, tourism, the nice quiet life in South of Crete?
I think Yannis is looking into this and that we shall be able to learn more from the next Crete Gazette. But I'm sure Mr. Karamanlis will not find any demonstrations in the streets of Timbaki when he comes down to look at the area one last time before he decides to destroy it.

#3
Posted 16 December 2005 - 07:48 PM
Uffe
#4
Posted 17 December 2005 - 03:06 PM
There will be reactions to these plans from environmental groups but we do not have enough information about the public opinion of the area regarding the port.
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#5
Guest_Guest_Tony_*_*
Posted 06 January 2006 - 06:35 PM
Many of the local people are not aware of this big port project which will put an end to the local tourism and the income most enjoy from it. People need to get organised and say a big fat Cretan NO to this monsterous project.There will probably be an article about the investments in Tymbaki area in the January issue of the Crete Gazette. What I know is that the Chinese are very interested in this container port but there has been no final agreement yet, so everything can change later.
There will be reactions to these plans from environmental groups but we do not have enough information about the public opinion of the area regarding the port.
#6
Posted 06 January 2006 - 09:40 PM
Many of the local people are not aware of this big port project which will put an end to the local tourism and the income most enjoy from it. People need to get organised and say a big fat Cretan NO to this monsterous project.
Well, Tony... I don't quite agree with you. Just today I discussed it with a friend of mine in Matala and he told me that they are having organised and regular meetings in Timbaki to discuss it. I asked him who was organising these meetings, but he said that "oh, they just call us whenever a meeting is up..." Inquiries have been sent to Athens, but - naturally - without receiving any answer.
But it's true that there is a lot of "not-really-knowing-what-it's-all-about". However, things are moving down here, so hopefully somebody will be able to put a foot down with a lot of noise!
Dinny
#7
Guest_Guest_Tony_*_*
Posted 09 January 2006 - 11:51 AM
Well, Tony... I don't quite agree with you. Just today I discussed it with a friend of mine in Matala and he told me that they are having organised and regular meetings in Timbaki to discuss it. I asked him who was organising these meetings, but he said that "oh, they just call us whenever a meeting is up..." Inquiries have been sent to Athens, but - naturally - without receiving any answer.
But it's true that there is a lot of "not-really-knowing-what-it's-all-about". However, things are moving down here, so hopefully somebody will be able to put a foot down with a lot of noise!
Dinny

#8
Posted 09 January 2006 - 12:55 PM
#9
Guest_A tourist_*
Posted 11 January 2006 - 09:44 PM
This year in 2006, we will spend our holidays for the fifth time in Agia Galini! It's like heaven there!
And now, i read this news.... I hope they can stop this stupid plans en save the nature and the tourism.
But when the port comes...what will be destroyed?? Also the villages around Timbaki, like Agia Galini, Kokkinos Pirgos,.... ?
This is terrible!!
Please, somebody, stop it!
#10
Posted 12 January 2006 - 05:29 PM
Nobody will stop it until everyone who is concerned does something!! Please write to your Hotel/house owner where you are staying at Aghia Galini and tell them about your concerns. Emphasize to them that you and your friends will stop coming to Aghia Galini if the Chinese port construction goes ahead.Hellow dear people,
This year in 2006, we will spend our holidays for the fifth time in Agia Galini! It's like heaven there!
And now, i read this news.... I hope they can stop this stupid plans en save the nature and the tourism.
But when the port comes...what will be destroyed?? Also the villages around Timbaki, like Agia Galini, Kokkinos Pirgos,.... ?
This is terrible!!
Please, somebody, stop it!

#11
Posted 13 January 2006 - 10:48 AM

#12
Posted 23 January 2006 - 12:02 AM
TO BHMA 22. 1. 106
Maybee there is another hope.... :-)))
Kind regards
Christa
Maybee someone can translate the article in english???
#13
Posted 23 January 2006 - 08:57 AM
This doesn't mean that the project is abandoned though. Perhaps the expansion of the 2 major ports of Greece is just a test for further future co-operation and more investments.
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#14
Posted 23 January 2006 - 10:54 AM
The latest roumors from Messara are that the waters in Tymbaki are too shallow for the huge containers. On the other side the port of Thessaloniki might be more attractive for the Chinese since it is already operable, will need less capital investment + it is closer to the Balcans.Christa is right. It looks like there has been an agreement for the expansion of the harbours of Piraeus and Thessaloniki but there is no mention for a new harbour in Tymbaki.
This doesn't mean that the project is abandoned though. Perhaps the expansion of the 2 major ports of Greece is just a test for further future co-operation and more investments.
However these r just roumors!!!
#15
Posted 24 January 2006 - 01:05 AM
Now, lets' get our priorities right please Prime Minister Karamanlis.........before that lets' get some decent flights from Cardiff to Chania..please.................................
#16
Posted 24 January 2006 - 07:42 AM
Thanks! I can't find it myself... it's all Greek to me!!
#17
Posted 24 January 2006 - 09:31 AM
Regarding Timpaki, they haven't mentioned anything.
#18
Posted 24 January 2006 - 09:40 AM
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#19
Posted 24 January 2006 - 03:23 PM
I will now compose a long memo for mr. Karamanlis, highlighting views that might never have occurred to him. I'm SURE he will change his mind after that!
#20
Posted 24 January 2006 - 11:28 PM
as I have bought a small house in Klima (north of Tymbaki) I am following the rumors about the container harbour from the begining.
And from that time on I believe it is totally uneconomic to build a big harbour there. All big container harbours I know provide further transport by ship (river), train and truck to industrial areas and agglomerations. I don't find this on the whole island of Crete. Even if the total import and export of goods (has someone data about it?) will be shiped at one port it will be cheaper to do it in the north of Crete where the big harbours already are.
A variation of the rumor is to build a port only for tranfering containers from large ships (problems to pass the Bosporus?) to smaller vessels. To do that on an island doesn't make economic sense either.
So I think Thessaloniki (routs to the Balkans and Black Sea) and Piraeus will be lucky to expand their harbour capacity as mentioned above.
Some facts about the ports of Gioia Tauro (Italy, just north of the Strait of Messina) and Algeciras (Spain, close to Gibraltar).