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Posted 29 September 2009 - 12:34 PM

WANT TO HAVE A HOUSE BUILT HERE ON CRETE SAW WEB PAGE FOR CRETANAGORA LOOKS GOOD,
CAN NOT WORK OUT IF THEY BUILDERS OR AGENTS.
I WOULD SOONER DEAL WITH THE BUILDER BUT UNLESS I'M THICK I CAN'T GET A STRAIGHT ANSWER,
SO PLEASE ARE THESE CRETANAGORA GOOD AT WHAT THEY SAY THEY CAN DO.
HAVE YOU HAD A HOUSE BUILT BY CRETANAGORA,IS IT THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD.

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Posted 01 October 2009 - 11:16 PM

The simple answer to your question is that Cretanagora are sales agents they are not builders.

I am a little concerned about your post, particularly as it is your first.

Recently there have been similar questions asked on other forums which have resulted in a few people posting unsubstantiated derogatory comments about the company. When asked to substantiate their claims they have not responded and I have to say that I think that the posts were a deliberate attempt to discredit the company, i.e they were a put up job by Cretanagora's competitors. Is your post, which asks for opinions of their performance, one of these?

I have had no personal dealings with Cretanagora, nor do I know any of their customers, so I am not able to offer an opinion but I would hope that any other responses you receive will provide substantive evidence of their comments.

PM me if you want more details

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 09:58 AM

All i asked for was what are Cretanagora,your reply is some what surprising anyway thankyou for telling me they are not builders so in that case i will avoid them.I do not trull the internet for forums i have no idea what you are saying,so why do you comment that these are no concern to you!,i might have have spoken to Cretanagora in the very near future but your comments are a red flag so the saying goes no smoke without fire.

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Posted 02 October 2009 - 12:24 PM

Why are you shouting?

I answered your question "are they builders?" and told you that they were agents so, fair enough, you say that you will avoid them as you want to deal with a builder. Your choice.

However, can I just point out that there are some advantages in dealing through an agent. They have experience in dealing with many different builders and know the standard of workmanship to be expected from each. How can you, with no experience, judge a potential builder? An agent will monitor the building work as it progresses. Are you in a position to do this? Builders tend to specialise in particular types of houses, an agent can help locate the best builder for the type of house you require. How is your Greek? Do you know enough to talk to a builder in technical terms? I short, there are many advantages in dealing through an agent.

The internet is a wonderful place to get information but you have to remember that you have no way of identifying who is giving you that information or, as in this case, even who is asking the question. A simple example. Suppose that I am a builder who has no work but another local builder has plenty. I could ask a question about my competitor, similar to the question you asked, and answer it, using a different name, to say that their work was rubbish. Result - I get more work! Easy and cost free!

Because of similar posts on other forums, I suspected that your question fell into this catagory. If I was wrong I apologise, but from your last comment "there is no smoke without fire" I suspect that I may be right.

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Posted 03 October 2009 - 02:25 PM

Explorer Junior - Retired in Crete is correct - it happens many many times on forums - we've seen it all. And yes, why are you shouting??? We don't shout on this forum, we discuss matters in a civilised manner. :)

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Posted 03 October 2009 - 06:06 PM

Post removed by moderator Tim. Lets keep it friendly and polite- whether or not we agree with one another.

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Posted 04 October 2009 - 07:08 PM

Hi Junior Eplorer,

Many thanks for your response.

Just so that you, and others, know why I was suspicious of your first post.

On another forum, a member made posts attacking Cretanagora. Most of the posts are in capital letters but when the post is in lower case he/she also used a lower case "i" instead of the normal "I". None of the posts on the other forum had a space after a punctuation mark.

Now I am no graphologist, but the posts are so similar in style and keying that I suspected that it was the same person. Hence I answered the question but tried to forstall derogatory responses by suggesting that any other responses should provide substantif proof of their comment.

I am not a moderator on this site, nor do I want to be, but this is a good site and it would be sad if it deteriorated to the levels of some others. Hence I tried to pre-empt the same sort of thread appearing on this site. My only mistake, maybe, was to post my response too soon.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 02:54 PM

Hello John
What made myself and others angry you jumped in with two left feet, at that time getting onto the forum became a problem IE filling a A4 paper answering all points to a statement,then being told unable to deliver spoof alert all that typed letter gone.(typing one line sending it very quickly no problem)
So we tried another way this time a friend who is also having problems with with the same company,joined the forum started to send in part statements from others with problems with the same company so sending snipetts to the forum worked.
In the mean time trust me was trying to re-register,to answer the statement sent in to the forum.
That's where you jumped in with two left feet it appeared to us you had no regard to peoples feeling those that have been mentally hurt by that company for many years,you did not have the right to say what you did about us you had no idea of the companies history of course you have a right to free speech.
You asserted yourself by saying the company is right because we had not returned answers to him, it was you who stopped the our right to reply.
Some may read this and say must not argue but this is not a argument John this not a duel, this is peoples lives who got sucker punched what is said here is this please try not to goad and if your having a bad day feeling angry remember who your angry at and not take it out on people who right now are at their lowest ebb.
Please understand this not name calling message.
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Posted 05 October 2009 - 06:56 PM

Explorer Junior,

Firstly, can I thank you for your admission that my suspicions were correct. i.e. You posted a question so that you, or your friends, could answer it. I would also thank you for your more civil tone.

I will try and answer the points you raise:

"What made myself and others angry you jumped in with two left feet,"
On this site? Perhaps so, but I have already said "My only mistake, maybe, was to post my response too soon." My only consolation is that it thwarted your "troll" post.
On the other site? Sorry but the thread comprised 32 posts over 8 days before I posted.

"In the mean time trust me was trying to re-register,to answer the statement sent in to the forum." ("trust me" being the screen name of a poster)
Cretanagora's statement was posted on the 24th Sept. Trust Me said he would reply the next day. He did not but he posted again on the 27th and still did not answer it

"You asserted yourself by saying the company is right because we had not returned answers to him, it was you who stopped the our right to reply."
You had had 7 days to answer before I posted!

"you did not have the right to say what you did about us"
What did I say that was wrong? Was it this? "Quite simply, if your houses are not to your satisfaction your dispute is with the builders with whom you signed your building agreements and not with Cretanagora who acted as sales agents only. You do not name the builders but seem very happy to lay the blame for everything at Cretanagora’s door even though they have explained the situation and tried to resolve it. It would seem, from their statement, that you have rejected their assistance." or this? "The truth is not libel, untruths however are! So I think that it is now time to either “put up or shut up”.

Lastly, whatever your beef with Cretanagora is, making troll posts and unsubstantiated derogatory comments on the internet is not the way to get things done. If you can substantiate your claims you have other routes to follow.

John
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Posted 05 October 2009 - 08:41 PM

John
Its been a waste of posting to you,for some reason in your life you have to try and prove your right.!!!
Its explained clearly why trust me could not post,its sad that can count the last post.
Its likely you lead a very lonely life,possibly been bullied for most of your life.
Its the PC that you can barrack and bully from then hiding behind the keys,gives you a thrill hey don't it.
Its a pity that you would not stand up for yourself years ago, bet behind closed doors you were hell to live with.
Its most likely you would do better writing a guide book entitled How to not make friends, or Why do people not like me.
Its certain your reply in your monotonous key tones,type,sad,type,sad,bet it makes you feel good hey now you can bully back no one can see you boo.
Its now time to go your not worth anymore time,this is a must for your new years resolution GET A LIFE.

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 11:02 PM

Dear me! John does seem to have hit a nerve!

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Posted 05 October 2009 - 11:34 PM

I think this thread will probably disappear shortly when I've had a decent opportunity to review it. Perhaps Yannis will have a view if he has a moment.
I don't think we mind arguments here but not in the style of a certain other forum most of us will know of.
Any comments? - you are welcome to PM me (but only in the next week as I will be away from my computer for a while)
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Posted 06 October 2009 - 08:23 AM

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