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#121 Wim

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 11:41 AM

Hear hear Ton.

And thanks for the Belgian address.

Wim :lol:

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Somehow this topic should be read by the responsible ministers :)
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Posted 21 September 2006 - 12:35 PM

And Peter Michel Heilmann, Founder and Director of INVgolf, a global golf and leisure-integrated real estate business intelligence provider, conference organiser and investment vehicle, says that a number of leading Greek groups of companies and foreign investors have started to proceed with their investment plans for the development of holiday homes and integrated leisure resorts with golf courses on large plots of land. Heilmann, a Dutch entrepreneur based in Athens, says "a number of Greek and international property management and investment groups are seeking to turn Greece into Europe's 'number one' holiday and retirement home market."

The British concern Minoan Group PLC is planning one of the largest resort communities in Greece on the island of Crete. Cavo Sidero will be a luxury, EUR 750 million complex on 26 square kilometres that will operate 12 months a year. According to project director Geoffrey Brown, "Golf is an integral part of our plans and is central to our mix of sports and leisure activities. We have plans for two 18-hole golf courses, one of which will be a championship course, a 9-hole par-3 course, a driving range, a club teaching pro, and a top flight club house. "Of special note is that Minoan Group PLC has signed a management deal with PGA Golf Management, the commercial arm of the PGA that specialises in managing and marketing quality golf courses." The contract to design the golf courses has been awarded to European Golf Design Ltd. (EGD) of the UK, who will work closely with PGA Golf Management to ensure that the courses and amenities meet Minoan's strict environmental requirements. The residual land value of the site has recently been reassessed by AXIES SA, a member of the Lambert Smith Hampton Group, and re-valued at 80 million based, inter alia, on all relevant consents having been obtained. The signing of a Memorandum of Understanding with a major international operator of luxury five star hotels was recently announced.

Also on Crete, Belgian investors are planning a major integrated residential and leisure project that include two golf courses. The site at Matala, approximately 15 kilometres from Aghia Gallini in the South of Crete, will occupy at total of 250 hectares and will take advantage of Greece's generous investment incentives.


At first I wasn't that keen on this development but after giving it some serious thoughts and influenced by the disastrous container harbour plans, I must say that I hope this Matala plan will have a positive completion.

This is, amongst others, what I ment with qualitative developments as opponent of the "mass tourisme" :)
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Posted 21 September 2006 - 02:02 PM

I've been reading up on the golf courses and have these links.

http://www.egd.com/p...cavosidero.htm

http://www.egd.com/p...n/navarino.htm

http://www.advfn.com..._14980065.html

and the link your articles from
http://www.invgolf.c...wings_play.htm

I'm not a golfer, I happened upon all this when doing some research into a property I was looking to buy.

Maybe mr. Karamanlis plays a little or something? It looks like greece will be one big golf course soon.

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 02:39 PM

I have to admit (for my sins) I love Golf :) :lol: but have never considered playing in Crete and never will. Why !!!! to be honest with you it has never occurred to me I just love Crete for being Crete and play my golf elsewhere. B)
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#125 Ton

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 04:21 PM

Iam afraid that golf courses in Greece will remain in the planning phase as many other projects so in the interim initial commissions can be realized by some individual ghost companies who have the blessing of some ministers. It doesn't take one much to realize that golf courses need a hellova water and maintenance and the income flow to the outflow make golf courses white elephants in Greece!!!!

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 04:59 PM

I have to agree with you Ton in part, however if we knew how well or not the Crete Golf Club near chersonnissos is doing that may be the difference. :unsure:

I know that in the Algarve where I go every Jan/Feb they are geared up for golf in a big way but again I have to say that with all the new courses being built although the variety suits the player I'm not so sure that big bucks are coming either. :unsure: :unsure:

I say leave Greece alone and in particular Crete where golf complexes are concerned. :angry: :angry:
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Posted 21 September 2006 - 07:19 PM

O.K. guys,

I'm not a player neither but the issue is here to make a choice between a harbour and a golf course, which I thought I made clear :unsure: which means to choose the less worse....

:unsure: :unsure:
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Posted 21 September 2006 - 08:41 PM

So shipping port it is then Wim

:unsure: :unsure:

At least I will be able to afford to stay in Crete that way. 5 star hotels with golf courses will be out of my price range.

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Posted 21 September 2006 - 11:41 PM

:unsure: :angry: :angry: :unsure:

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Posted 23 September 2006 - 06:46 PM

Where is the water comming from that is neede to keep the greens green???

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Posted 23 September 2006 - 11:27 PM

Sorry but if you have both have read this topic, than I can't handle that much of ignorance.
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#132 Ton

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Posted 24 September 2006 - 03:16 PM

Hahahaaha!!! I think u have been misunderstood Wim. Please write in Plain English next time. Hahahaha!!

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Posted 25 September 2006 - 10:38 AM

Latest info...

According to www.ecocrete.gr from today the small island of Gavdopoula is still targeted as a transit container port for Chinese interests in case the port in Timbaki will not be materialized for any reason.'

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Posted 25 September 2006 - 11:13 AM

That's probably even worse except for the fact that its out of view :wacko:
This plan has been mentioned earlier, thought about 2 or 3 years ago but I thought it was Gavdopoula at that time.
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#135 Ton

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Posted 25 September 2006 - 02:08 PM

Yeah Wim and it is still Gavdopoula the little insland next to Gavdos. The report says that they would like to flaten the whole insland to 2 meters above sea level and then construct the necessary load and unloading docks for the containers. Sounds like another monsterous project coming out of a horrific science fiction magazine.

#136 Ton

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Posted 02 October 2006 - 10:52 AM

A link for some more info.

http://www.timbakipr...net/text_E.html :rolleyes:

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 03:10 PM

Great link, Ton. How I wish this stuff could be found also in Greek! Well, maybe it can, but I'm obviously not able to find it. I will distribute this link to anyone interested here, it sort of adds up the whole mess.

Discussions here are getting more intense, lot of posters now being put up everywhere against this project, but official input is still lacking. Do the authorities really want to show up with a final verdict before discussing it with the locals?

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Posted 03 October 2006 - 05:23 PM

Damn right it is :angry:

Meanwhile I have placed both the petition and the Timbaki protest on the site forum of Agia Galini

It seems the ex mayor of Galini, George Kotzanakis is running for Regional Mayor on basis of trying to stop the port happening. He has already found out that many people involved in this are quite happy to stop getting in :( .........

It's time to kick some ass :(
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Posted 04 October 2006 - 07:20 PM

Interesting article here!

http://www.cretegaze...imbaki_port.php

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#140 Ton

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 10:09 AM

John,
this article is bla,bla,bla. The truth is not coming out. Greece is not Singapore with laws which are strictly enforced. The port will only benefit very few as many articles have been written on the subject. It will ruin the environment and the prosperity of the people in nearby villages which are currently living off tourism. Even on the article are lies such as' The whole world has not heard of the Timbaki and the Messara. Its discovery is due to the Prime Minister’s trip to China and our own efforts in large regions of the world, which are leaders in world commerce.' Well.......we very well know that the Prime Minister's trip to China came after the Chinese had already been in Crete exploring Ierapetra first and Timbaki as a second choise.
By the way did u sign the petition yet?